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	<title>Comments on: BBC Says, ‘Let’s talk’ to climate skeptics: initiative to debate begins</title>
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		<title>By: BBC Radio now admits it&#8217;s time to talk to skeptics &#124; CLIMATEGATE</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBC Radio now admits it&#8217;s time to talk to skeptics &#124; CLIMATEGATE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] particular interest are Roger Harrabin’s contributions. You may recall that Mr. Harrabin has extended an offer to debate with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: barry woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about Tim&#039;s labyrinthine software suites... (harry file)

Tim Mitchell&#039;s first degree:  Geography

&quot;At Oxford University I read geography (1994-1997, School of Geography). My college was Christ Church. At Oxford I developed a special interest in the study of climate change.&quot;

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/personal/index.html</description>
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<p>Tim Mitchell&#8217;s first degree:  Geography</p>
<p>&#8220;At Oxford University I read geography (1994-1997, School of Geography). My college was Christ Church. At Oxford I developed a special interest in the study of climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/personal/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timm/personal/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John O'Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O'Sullivan</dc:creator>
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		<description>This is all good feedback. I&#039;m happy to follow up on all suggestions- time and resources permitting. I can report that I&#039;ve had no response from Mr Harrabin since my last email. He did sound ill though and had received a mountain of &#039;suggestions&#039; from skeptics in his mailbox.

 I should also add that he did tell me that his views began to change when he interviewed Al Gore. Gore tore him to shreds after the interview for daring to probe into the scam too deeply.</description>
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<p> I should also add that he did tell me that his views began to change when he interviewed Al Gore. Gore tore him to shreds after the interview for daring to probe into the scam too deeply.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must have been a long day with small children today...
Just put this on Richard Balck blog (hopefully it appears)

Rising scepticism - a chill wind?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/02/cold_view_of_rising_scepticism.html?s_sync=1#postcomment

For Roger Harrabin:

Pr, media manipulation, tactics of the AGW/IPCC crowd..

This DENIAR (many agw people would accuse him of this, by just saying this in print) journalist, felt his unease...
Prior to Copenhagen...

&quot;The vice-president cleverly lures the viewer into making the calculation that CO2 drove historical climate change by presenting graphs and asking the audience if they fit. 

 
The movie is product of a political debate - as is the court case 
Well, the graphs do fit - but what Mr Gore fails to mention in the film is that mainstream scientists believe that historically the temperature shifted due to our changing relationship with the Sun, with warmer climes unlocking CO2 from the oceans, which amplified global temperature rise. &quot;


Who is this deniar...

Roger Harriban
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7040370.stm

I ask Roger.

Take a day off. 
Just pretend for a moment you are new to this, a member of the public that has only really heard about climate change, and possibly it is man made... (some/all?)

Just have a look at Climate audit (this may be a bit techy for you, no offence, I have 2 science degrees and I find it a bit techy to...)

Go to somewhere like watts up.. bishop hill..  jo nova.. (actuall all of them)

Have a read of the story, from the beginning of climategate....
Imagine, it is a story about a big pharmaceutical company, or a big oil company....

Read it all with an open mind.

See how they are days WEEKS ahead of revealingthings, just this last week published, andmany things unpublished in the main stream media.

Think, how that reflects on tv/press/bbc

Then, GO and check it, Any source you like, pro, mainstream papers, Telegraph, wall street journal, Times...

THINK carefully, if any of these people are lying to you. what their motives are...  Be an investigative journalist...

Possibly you may come to a conclusion that AGW theory, was a good theory worth investigating, but that it has been hyped up beyond all physics.. ie contribution (if any?) is an order or 2 of MAGNITUDE less than, the hysteria..

And the human signature is totally swamped by the muitiple natural cyclical processes. where the cyscles overlap, reinforce, cancel out, to give a highly variable climate over millenia...

Highest lowest since records began. 
Should raise the question how long the records (30 years for satellite - you should now that this is so insignificant a record, it could not possible show any trend)
OR worst snow in washington for 90 years, (just means every 90 or years or so you get lots of snow)  
same with flooding ie cockermouth - photo in the papers, it&#039;s &#039;global warming -showing a wall with a flood line on it, showing how hig it got...  The editor, totally missing the other floodlines on the same wall, show similar and HIGHER flood lines, in the 19th century...

Politicians shouting Falt earther, anti science, climate sabatouer, sceptic, just before they fly off in sepearte private jets to a climate conference, with huge entourages.  Think of the abuse of power, a rprime minister, minister for climate and energy are showing in trying to close down debate..

All those things out in the open now about the IPCC, that probably shocked you, it was those people that felt that language was unacceptbale, in the blogs, those &#039;sceptic&#039; websites that doggedly purused the truth , Steve mcintyre - felt the statistics was wrong on the &#039;HOCKEY stick&#039; and was RIGHT...(he took years and the abuse!!!)

Where would the IPCC have been if that had NEVER been used to champion &#039;global warming&#039;...

There is a flood line, near the Kenton theatre in Henley on thames, I just walked past it the other day, at waist hight... SHOCKINGLY HIGH. It is so high, that houses in the road closer to the river woiuld be flooded up to the first floor...  Of course no living memory of that...

I could go on..

You may be shocked that you have been taken in and perpetuated the agw theory, against very many scientists advice, do you still believe the 2500 scientists story, after we know who they are, and the very small group really controlling it... even one of the climategate emails states, just GET the numbers, the media won&#039;t count/check phd&#039;s or who they are, just get the numbers...

You HAVE looked at the emails, haven&#039;t you. 
Got some IT experts/stisticains to explain the horrors of their data integrity, handling, ect, revealed in HArry_Read_me.txt, and of course the code... 
The rules of the game pdf, explaining how to communicate climate strategy... 
You have looked at Lord monckton&#039;s work, Paul COstelloes excellent Climategate analysis..  All which you can read FOR yourself, and check for yourself...

Initially, this leak was brushed aside with, get the criminal, nothing to see, move along please...  I&#039;m sure you are aware, that was how the guilty behaved in the MP&#039;s expense LEAK. We would NEVER have known about that except for a WHISTLEBLOWER.

This is A GOOD NEWS story, we are not about to suffer the terrible effect of the man made diaster scare stories, which you said you felt uncomfortable with..

The IPCC say 59cm in (or is it 2m) in 90 years.
Charles says 6 inches in a century.
Of course some of his subjects ancestors, walked to the UK from France several thousand years ago.. 6 inches a century, would happily explain THE CHANNEL - naturally...

Is he saying, or the IPCC that ALL NATURAL processes, have stopped, since theindustrial revolution, and will REMAIN stopped?

This IS GOOD NEWS, we only have to worry anbout real natural disatster, 250,000 killed by a tsunami, 200,000 killed in HAiti, terrible diaster in Burma, and the news moved on, and I feel guilty I cannot even remember the details...

Has ANY death occured due to man made global warming...  NO reputable scientist,weatherman has EVER linked any weather event, to this.. ALL completely within the realms of natural variability.

So free my children, from the scare stories that polar bears are dying out because of humans (5 fold increase in 50 years, beacause humans STOPPED shooting them), or they are all going to be engulfed ny a tsunami (the copenhagen opening video, sea engulfing a land and a child in seconds! 0.59 or 2.0m in 90 years! remember less than 0.00000025km/h)

My children are at Infants school, spare them this humans are killing the planet/evil self hating religion, this is JUST a smal group of AGW  people, the majority are just like me and want to do the right thing for their childrens future. And I know you will have encountered this smaller group of people for yourself.

Think of the money that will BE WASTED on carbon trading, carbon offsets, carbon economy, carbon FRAUD, rainforests destroyed to grow bio fuels, lithium mining for those hybrid car batteries, china/india ravaging the environment mining those rare earth metals needed, for the carbon technology solutions. 

Where a tenth of the money, or less, could help address real environmental concerns, address real human poluution, rainforest destruction, save the tiger, EVERYTHING else.

Give Dr David Bellamy a call.  
Life long passionate, commited environmentalist, now branded A DENIAR.  Read his interview, about how when he said he did not believe in AGW, he never worked for the BBC again.

To quote somone working at CRU, Tim in the Harry_Read_me.txt file, that HARRY, is trying to struggle with the hadcru datasets!

&quot;...Although I have yet to see any evidence that climate change is a sign of Christ&#039;s imminent return, human pollution is clearly another of the birth pangs of creation, as it eagerly awaits being delivered from the bondage of corruption (Romans. 19-22).

Tim Mitchell works at the Climactic Research Unit, UEA, Norwich, and is a member of South Park Evangelical Church.&quot;

http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-1129-Climate-change-and-the-Christian.htm

People who go into climate science in the last 20-30 years are taught man made global warming, they are a self selecting group, who in the main, WANT to save the planet, stopp the pollution, all enviable objectives/intentions.  It does not prove the science, it just blinkers it...

Have they been testing the null hypothesis

ie AGW has a minimal or zero effect, in the overall planetary cycles)
It was definetly a good idea, a theory worth investigating, but it appears to have been used, latched onto, by people who want it to be true, to acheive theie goals (many varied, and conflicting) no conspiracy required, just human nature...

So this sceptic (cynic now - after the last 10 weeks)
Asks you to lock the study door, - this Sunday, next week, if you do not get to read this in time) and just do what I suggest with an open mind...

Take one day and think:

What if, what the sceptics are saying  - 

(Why not say sceptical scientists - you know there are many, petition project lindzen, plimer, etc, Bishop hill could give you a list of the ones that do not fear - DENIAR).

Think:
What IF, everything they are saying is actually true 

(except the really lunatic fringe, counterpointed by the lunatic pro agw believers, who want dams blown up, cities emptied, etc. ie the kind Hanson, controls a satellite dataset, endorses, and won&#039;t provide the raw data, despite foi requests)

Talk to Bishop Hill, watts up, etc  - OFF the record, they have reason to mistrust the BBC&#039;s intentions.

I hear you are reaching out to sceptical scientists (but somehow can&#039;t find any! - there are many on the record)

This memeber of public asks you do take one day and see it from my point of view.

Take that day and do as I suggest.

Please. 

(it&#039;s for MY children, and THIER planet)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must have been a long day with small children today&#8230;<br />
Just put this on Richard Balck blog (hopefully it appears)</p>
<p>Rising scepticism &#8211; a chill wind?<br />
<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/02/cold_view_of_rising_scepticism.html?s_sync=1#postcomment" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/02/cold_view_of_rising_scepticism.html?s_sync=1#postcomment</a></p>
<p>For Roger Harrabin:</p>
<p>Pr, media manipulation, tactics of the AGW/IPCC crowd..</p>
<p>This DENIAR (many agw people would accuse him of this, by just saying this in print) journalist, felt his unease&#8230;<br />
Prior to Copenhagen&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The vice-president cleverly lures the viewer into making the calculation that CO2 drove historical climate change by presenting graphs and asking the audience if they fit. </p>
<p>The movie is product of a political debate &#8211; as is the court case<br />
Well, the graphs do fit &#8211; but what Mr Gore fails to mention in the film is that mainstream scientists believe that historically the temperature shifted due to our changing relationship with the Sun, with warmer climes unlocking CO2 from the oceans, which amplified global temperature rise. &#8221;</p>
<p>Who is this deniar&#8230;</p>
<p>Roger Harriban<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7040370.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7040370.stm</a></p>
<p>I ask Roger.</p>
<p>Take a day off.<br />
Just pretend for a moment you are new to this, a member of the public that has only really heard about climate change, and possibly it is man made&#8230; (some/all?)</p>
<p>Just have a look at Climate audit (this may be a bit techy for you, no offence, I have 2 science degrees and I find it a bit techy to&#8230;)</p>
<p>Go to somewhere like watts up.. bishop hill..  jo nova.. (actuall all of them)</p>
<p>Have a read of the story, from the beginning of climategate&#8230;.<br />
Imagine, it is a story about a big pharmaceutical company, or a big oil company&#8230;.</p>
<p>Read it all with an open mind.</p>
<p>See how they are days WEEKS ahead of revealingthings, just this last week published, andmany things unpublished in the main stream media.</p>
<p>Think, how that reflects on tv/press/bbc</p>
<p>Then, GO and check it, Any source you like, pro, mainstream papers, Telegraph, wall street journal, Times&#8230;</p>
<p>THINK carefully, if any of these people are lying to you. what their motives are&#8230;  Be an investigative journalist&#8230;</p>
<p>Possibly you may come to a conclusion that AGW theory, was a good theory worth investigating, but that it has been hyped up beyond all physics.. ie contribution (if any?) is an order or 2 of MAGNITUDE less than, the hysteria..</p>
<p>And the human signature is totally swamped by the muitiple natural cyclical processes. where the cyscles overlap, reinforce, cancel out, to give a highly variable climate over millenia&#8230;</p>
<p>Highest lowest since records began.<br />
Should raise the question how long the records (30 years for satellite &#8211; you should now that this is so insignificant a record, it could not possible show any trend)<br />
OR worst snow in washington for 90 years, (just means every 90 or years or so you get lots of snow)<br />
same with flooding ie cockermouth &#8211; photo in the papers, it&#8217;s &#8216;global warming -showing a wall with a flood line on it, showing how hig it got&#8230;  The editor, totally missing the other floodlines on the same wall, show similar and HIGHER flood lines, in the 19th century&#8230;</p>
<p>Politicians shouting Falt earther, anti science, climate sabatouer, sceptic, just before they fly off in sepearte private jets to a climate conference, with huge entourages.  Think of the abuse of power, a rprime minister, minister for climate and energy are showing in trying to close down debate..</p>
<p>All those things out in the open now about the IPCC, that probably shocked you, it was those people that felt that language was unacceptbale, in the blogs, those &#8216;sceptic&#8217; websites that doggedly purused the truth , Steve mcintyre &#8211; felt the statistics was wrong on the &#8216;HOCKEY stick&#8217; and was RIGHT&#8230;(he took years and the abuse!!!)</p>
<p>Where would the IPCC have been if that had NEVER been used to champion &#8216;global warming&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>There is a flood line, near the Kenton theatre in Henley on thames, I just walked past it the other day, at waist hight&#8230; SHOCKINGLY HIGH. It is so high, that houses in the road closer to the river woiuld be flooded up to the first floor&#8230;  Of course no living memory of that&#8230;</p>
<p>I could go on..</p>
<p>You may be shocked that you have been taken in and perpetuated the agw theory, against very many scientists advice, do you still believe the 2500 scientists story, after we know who they are, and the very small group really controlling it&#8230; even one of the climategate emails states, just GET the numbers, the media won&#8217;t count/check phd&#8217;s or who they are, just get the numbers&#8230;</p>
<p>You HAVE looked at the emails, haven&#8217;t you.<br />
Got some IT experts/stisticains to explain the horrors of their data integrity, handling, ect, revealed in HArry_Read_me.txt, and of course the code&#8230;<br />
The rules of the game pdf, explaining how to communicate climate strategy&#8230;<br />
You have looked at Lord monckton&#8217;s work, Paul COstelloes excellent Climategate analysis..  All which you can read FOR yourself, and check for yourself&#8230;</p>
<p>Initially, this leak was brushed aside with, get the criminal, nothing to see, move along please&#8230;  I&#8217;m sure you are aware, that was how the guilty behaved in the MP&#8217;s expense LEAK. We would NEVER have known about that except for a WHISTLEBLOWER.</p>
<p>This is A GOOD NEWS story, we are not about to suffer the terrible effect of the man made diaster scare stories, which you said you felt uncomfortable with..</p>
<p>The IPCC say 59cm in (or is it 2m) in 90 years.<br />
Charles says 6 inches in a century.<br />
Of course some of his subjects ancestors, walked to the UK from France several thousand years ago.. 6 inches a century, would happily explain THE CHANNEL &#8211; naturally&#8230;</p>
<p>Is he saying, or the IPCC that ALL NATURAL processes, have stopped, since theindustrial revolution, and will REMAIN stopped?</p>
<p>This IS GOOD NEWS, we only have to worry anbout real natural disatster, 250,000 killed by a tsunami, 200,000 killed in HAiti, terrible diaster in Burma, and the news moved on, and I feel guilty I cannot even remember the details&#8230;</p>
<p>Has ANY death occured due to man made global warming&#8230;  NO reputable scientist,weatherman has EVER linked any weather event, to this.. ALL completely within the realms of natural variability.</p>
<p>So free my children, from the scare stories that polar bears are dying out because of humans (5 fold increase in 50 years, beacause humans STOPPED shooting them), or they are all going to be engulfed ny a tsunami (the copenhagen opening video, sea engulfing a land and a child in seconds! 0.59 or 2.0m in 90 years! remember less than 0.00000025km/h)</p>
<p>My children are at Infants school, spare them this humans are killing the planet/evil self hating religion, this is JUST a smal group of AGW  people, the majority are just like me and want to do the right thing for their childrens future. And I know you will have encountered this smaller group of people for yourself.</p>
<p>Think of the money that will BE WASTED on carbon trading, carbon offsets, carbon economy, carbon FRAUD, rainforests destroyed to grow bio fuels, lithium mining for those hybrid car batteries, china/india ravaging the environment mining those rare earth metals needed, for the carbon technology solutions. </p>
<p>Where a tenth of the money, or less, could help address real environmental concerns, address real human poluution, rainforest destruction, save the tiger, EVERYTHING else.</p>
<p>Give Dr David Bellamy a call.<br />
Life long passionate, commited environmentalist, now branded A DENIAR.  Read his interview, about how when he said he did not believe in AGW, he never worked for the BBC again.</p>
<p>To quote somone working at CRU, Tim in the Harry_Read_me.txt file, that HARRY, is trying to struggle with the hadcru datasets!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Although I have yet to see any evidence that climate change is a sign of Christ&#8217;s imminent return, human pollution is clearly another of the birth pangs of creation, as it eagerly awaits being delivered from the bondage of corruption (Romans. 19-22).</p>
<p>Tim Mitchell works at the Climactic Research Unit, UEA, Norwich, and is a member of South Park Evangelical Church.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-1129-Climate-change-and-the-Christian.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-n.org.uk/p-1129-Climate-change-and-the-Christian.htm</a></p>
<p>People who go into climate science in the last 20-30 years are taught man made global warming, they are a self selecting group, who in the main, WANT to save the planet, stopp the pollution, all enviable objectives/intentions.  It does not prove the science, it just blinkers it&#8230;</p>
<p>Have they been testing the null hypothesis</p>
<p>ie AGW has a minimal or zero effect, in the overall planetary cycles)<br />
It was definetly a good idea, a theory worth investigating, but it appears to have been used, latched onto, by people who want it to be true, to acheive theie goals (many varied, and conflicting) no conspiracy required, just human nature&#8230;</p>
<p>So this sceptic (cynic now &#8211; after the last 10 weeks)<br />
Asks you to lock the study door, &#8211; this Sunday, next week, if you do not get to read this in time) and just do what I suggest with an open mind&#8230;</p>
<p>Take one day and think:</p>
<p>What if, what the sceptics are saying  &#8211; </p>
<p>(Why not say sceptical scientists &#8211; you know there are many, petition project lindzen, plimer, etc, Bishop hill could give you a list of the ones that do not fear &#8211; DENIAR).</p>
<p>Think:<br />
What IF, everything they are saying is actually true </p>
<p>(except the really lunatic fringe, counterpointed by the lunatic pro agw believers, who want dams blown up, cities emptied, etc. ie the kind Hanson, controls a satellite dataset, endorses, and won&#8217;t provide the raw data, despite foi requests)</p>
<p>Talk to Bishop Hill, watts up, etc  &#8211; OFF the record, they have reason to mistrust the BBC&#8217;s intentions.</p>
<p>I hear you are reaching out to sceptical scientists (but somehow can&#8217;t find any! &#8211; there are many on the record)</p>
<p>This memeber of public asks you do take one day and see it from my point of view.</p>
<p>Take that day and do as I suggest.</p>
<p>Please. </p>
<p>(it&#8217;s for MY children, and THIER planet)</p>
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		<title>By: stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,  I too have just read Black and accept your point.  But all the environmental repoters for BBC are a chorus of similar build and maybe Harbin thinks his legs are nicer.  I would trust him because I cannot think what you have to lose.  Black talked a lot about the populous poll that showed a decline in faith re catastrophic global warming and offered the annodyne statement of  &#039;dont believe it&#039;.

We have to widen this debate to keep it alive.  I&#039;ve been hassling  &#039;Yougov &#039;as pollsters to ask the obvious re climategate but also what is really apt.

For exmaple

(a) Do you think that that global climate warming is man- made 
(b) Do you have doubts about the the role of man in this .

If (a) are you willing from now to pay significant proportions of your disposable income to resolve your belief,

For example, 

Are you willing to pay a sum of money close to 5 times what you pay now for your heat and  light.  So if you pay £1200 per year now have you planned in your retirement for an annual cost of close to£6000 per annum when in your sixties?

You must press on the financial nerve to win and the only way you can provide a circular logical argument is through people like the BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,  I too have just read Black and accept your point.  But all the environmental repoters for BBC are a chorus of similar build and maybe Harbin thinks his legs are nicer.  I would trust him because I cannot think what you have to lose.  Black talked a lot about the populous poll that showed a decline in faith re catastrophic global warming and offered the annodyne statement of  &#8216;dont believe it&#8217;.</p>
<p>We have to widen this debate to keep it alive.  I&#8217;ve been hassling  &#8216;Yougov &#8216;as pollsters to ask the obvious re climategate but also what is really apt.</p>
<p>For exmaple</p>
<p>(a) Do you think that that global climate warming is man- made<br />
(b) Do you have doubts about the the role of man in this .</p>
<p>If (a) are you willing from now to pay significant proportions of your disposable income to resolve your belief,</p>
<p>For example, </p>
<p>Are you willing to pay a sum of money close to 5 times what you pay now for your heat and  light.  So if you pay £1200 per year now have you planned in your retirement for an annual cost of close to£6000 per annum when in your sixties?</p>
<p>You must press on the financial nerve to win and the only way you can provide a circular logical argument is through people like the BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Roe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Roe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cloud10 is excellent and on the money but I would put a little more weight on the polling trend. Oddly enough the BBC analysis begins by expressing the unusual nature of the results but ends by assuring the reader that based on the norm there&#039;s nothing new here. It will be interesting to see how long they can hold this contraption together with bailing wire and spit.

 Here in the US the climate mafia made a serious run to &quot;settle&quot; the debate and shape the future last year. The Cap-and-Trade scheme in the House was it&#039;s high water mark. With help from climategate we have hurled them from the walls at the very last moment but have not dealt them a mortal blow. As cloud10 predicts climategate may be seen as a speedbump on the road to hell in three months time. That will probably come to pass unless we stay active and continue to grow in mass and message.

Encouraged by the international collegiality that the skeptic community has demonstrated over the past several months I wonder if we are ready to form a united front? If anyone is interested in discussing the whys and hows of this please meet me on the open thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cloud10 is excellent and on the money but I would put a little more weight on the polling trend. Oddly enough the BBC analysis begins by expressing the unusual nature of the results but ends by assuring the reader that based on the norm there&#8217;s nothing new here. It will be interesting to see how long they can hold this contraption together with bailing wire and spit.</p>
<p> Here in the US the climate mafia made a serious run to &#8220;settle&#8221; the debate and shape the future last year. The Cap-and-Trade scheme in the House was it&#8217;s high water mark. With help from climategate we have hurled them from the walls at the very last moment but have not dealt them a mortal blow. As cloud10 predicts climategate may be seen as a speedbump on the road to hell in three months time. That will probably come to pass unless we stay active and continue to grow in mass and message.</p>
<p>Encouraged by the international collegiality that the skeptic community has demonstrated over the past several months I wonder if we are ready to form a united front? If anyone is interested in discussing the whys and hows of this please meet me on the open thread.</p>
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		<title>By: John O'Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O'Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stew, thanks for a shrewd assessment.  I&#039;ve just come from the BBC website where Mr. Black is now doing his spin on the latest negative UK opinion polls over global warming. The BBC are not remotely close to doing objective, factual reporting - propaganda is still the fayre de jour. I trust none of them and am staying wary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stew, thanks for a shrewd assessment.  I&#8217;ve just come from the BBC website where Mr. Black is now doing his spin on the latest negative UK opinion polls over global warming. The BBC are not remotely close to doing objective, factual reporting &#8211; propaganda is still the fayre de jour. I trust none of them and am staying wary.</p>
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		<title>By: stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloud 10 has a good idea but don&#039;t be surprised if the BBC don&#039;t do things that way.  And don&#039;t play the Divas as if you don&#039;t need help to get your message across.  Its even money that in 3 month&#039;s time the &quot;Climategate&quot; pond will be flat calm without a ripple to suggest the turmoil of the present.  Pachauri will be gone and Jones et al will be on the &#039;naughty step&#039; for a while. Global temp information will be so transparent we&#039;ll get discs in the Daily Mail and every family will be entitled to a free FOI request.

But we won&#039;t have won!  The political elite will bin their  climategate files and head smiling to the big conference room where they put the stealth into green taxes.  The issue will return to the blogsphere where it started and 388 people per million will resume their arcane discussions.

Polls this weekend will show more people with doubts but it is not moving fast enough to see victory.  Use the BBC.  They have access to the real fallguys, the taxpayers.  Most people think this is just a spat among bald scientists about name calling.  And they don&#039;t want the eyelid-drooping stuff about bristlecones and other dendroclimatological flatulence.  But they will sit up if you explain the &quot;So What?&quot;  If you tell them that very soon as many of them are about to retire on fixed and impoverished incomes they will be deluged with taxes that will make their paid-off mortgages look like pocket money, they will sit up and listen.  Use the BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloud 10 has a good idea but don&#8217;t be surprised if the BBC don&#8217;t do things that way.  And don&#8217;t play the Divas as if you don&#8217;t need help to get your message across.  Its even money that in 3 month&#8217;s time the &#8220;Climategate&#8221; pond will be flat calm without a ripple to suggest the turmoil of the present.  Pachauri will be gone and Jones et al will be on the &#8216;naughty step&#8217; for a while. Global temp information will be so transparent we&#8217;ll get discs in the Daily Mail and every family will be entitled to a free FOI request.</p>
<p>But we won&#8217;t have won!  The political elite will bin their  climategate files and head smiling to the big conference room where they put the stealth into green taxes.  The issue will return to the blogsphere where it started and 388 people per million will resume their arcane discussions.</p>
<p>Polls this weekend will show more people with doubts but it is not moving fast enough to see victory.  Use the BBC.  They have access to the real fallguys, the taxpayers.  Most people think this is just a spat among bald scientists about name calling.  And they don&#8217;t want the eyelid-drooping stuff about bristlecones and other dendroclimatological flatulence.  But they will sit up if you explain the &#8220;So What?&#8221;  If you tell them that very soon as many of them are about to retire on fixed and impoverished incomes they will be deluged with taxes that will make their paid-off mortgages look like pocket money, they will sit up and listen.  Use the BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: ADE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John O'Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John O'Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>noted, thanks, John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noted, thanks, John</p>
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