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	<description>Anthropogenic Global Warming, history&#039;s biggest scam</description>
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		<title>By: Denis Ables</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-1#comment-3736</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Ables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steveie, you don&#039;t have to pump life into conspiracy theories on this one!  (In fact, the only conspiracy theory afoot is the one accusing man of AGW.  There is no evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steveie, you don&#8217;t have to pump life into conspiracy theories on this one!  (In fact, the only conspiracy theory afoot is the one accusing man of AGW.  There is no evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Ables</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-1#comment-3734</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Ables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to the WattsUpWithThat website - Anthony Watkins has been specializing in this area for quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to the WattsUpWithThat website &#8211; Anthony Watkins has been specializing in this area for quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Ables</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-1#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Ables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who could argue with Nollet&#039;s response to Eussner, that climate change is a reality. Afterall, climate change has been with us for the past 4+ billion years, so that would seem to be a &quot;no-brainer&quot;.  Of course, that&#039;s the typical response and not the issue. 

The  problem is whether man is contributing to this ongoing climate change.  In particular, the question is whether anthropogenic global warming is a reality.  But  the only possible mechanism for AGW is because of the contribution to CO2 related to man&#039;s activities.  But, as it turns out, CO2 is a trace gas, currently less than 4/100 of one percent by volume of the atmosphere, and there is no evidence (none, zero, nada), either historic or current,  that CO2 is a driver of temperature.  In fact, the only established relationship between  CO2 and temperature is that CO2 is released by the oceans hundreds of years after a temperature increase.  (Sorry about that algore!)

There is another issue related to temperature. Even a casual look at the process involved in obtaining land surface temperatures, namely the follow-up machinations related to such things as changes in site locations, instrumentation upgrades, local environment influences, missing data, adjustments to time of day, averaging mins and maxes, estimating and eliminating heat sink influence, and  extrapolating local information to massive areas where no readings are available could easily overwhelm any possibility of accurate results.  The only reason for this not happening would be that there are so many different and large errors introduced that there is a good chance some will offset others.  Finally, this eggregious problem which cannot be dealt with by even very honest and conscientious workerfs, is then subject to various bogus machinations by the CRUs.  It&#039;s hard to make up stuff that is this bizarre!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who could argue with Nollet&#8217;s response to Eussner, that climate change is a reality. Afterall, climate change has been with us for the past 4+ billion years, so that would seem to be a &#8220;no-brainer&#8221;.  Of course, that&#8217;s the typical response and not the issue. </p>
<p>The  problem is whether man is contributing to this ongoing climate change.  In particular, the question is whether anthropogenic global warming is a reality.  But  the only possible mechanism for AGW is because of the contribution to CO2 related to man&#8217;s activities.  But, as it turns out, CO2 is a trace gas, currently less than 4/100 of one percent by volume of the atmosphere, and there is no evidence (none, zero, nada), either historic or current,  that CO2 is a driver of temperature.  In fact, the only established relationship between  CO2 and temperature is that CO2 is released by the oceans hundreds of years after a temperature increase.  (Sorry about that algore!)</p>
<p>There is another issue related to temperature. Even a casual look at the process involved in obtaining land surface temperatures, namely the follow-up machinations related to such things as changes in site locations, instrumentation upgrades, local environment influences, missing data, adjustments to time of day, averaging mins and maxes, estimating and eliminating heat sink influence, and  extrapolating local information to massive areas where no readings are available could easily overwhelm any possibility of accurate results.  The only reason for this not happening would be that there are so many different and large errors introduced that there is a good chance some will offset others.  Finally, this eggregious problem which cannot be dealt with by even very honest and conscientious workerfs, is then subject to various bogus machinations by the CRUs.  It&#8217;s hard to make up stuff that is this bizarre!</p>
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		<title>By: harrie verstappen</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-3730</link>
		<dc:creator>harrie verstappen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannot agree with Paai. Curaçao is a &quot;modern&quot; on-line station; and even if it isn&#039;t (yes, I could be wrong!), it has disappeared completely from the list. Whatever d&#039;Aloe says, this has nothing to do with a &quot;since 1990&quot; drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannot agree with Paai. Curaçao is a &#8220;modern&#8221; on-line station; and even if it isn&#8217;t (yes, I could be wrong!), it has disappeared completely from the list. Whatever d&#8217;Aloe says, this has nothing to do with a &#8220;since 1990&#8243; drop.</p>
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		<title>By: paai</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-3711</link>
		<dc:creator>paai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This contribution is based on an article of d&#039;Aloe that has been singing around for a few weeks now.

However, the cause for the alledged drop in stations is not a conscious weeding out by IPCC conspirators as d&#039;Aloe so bluntly states. What happened is that since 1990 the difference between &#039;modern&#039; stations with on-line access and &#039;old-fashioned&#039; stations that rely on paper, has shifted.
The &#039;old-fashioned&#039; stations still rely their data, but it must be processed by hand, and it can take years before they finally are integrated.

d&#039;Aloe knows this, as he has admitted on his blog. He has consciously choosen to present this as a conspiracy and disappearing of stations. Does this make him a liar? I am afraid so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This contribution is based on an article of d&#8217;Aloe that has been singing around for a few weeks now.</p>
<p>However, the cause for the alledged drop in stations is not a conscious weeding out by IPCC conspirators as d&#8217;Aloe so bluntly states. What happened is that since 1990 the difference between &#8216;modern&#8217; stations with on-line access and &#8216;old-fashioned&#8217; stations that rely on paper, has shifted.<br />
The &#8216;old-fashioned&#8217; stations still rely their data, but it must be processed by hand, and it can take years before they finally are integrated.</p>
<p>d&#8217;Aloe knows this, as he has admitted on his blog. He has consciously choosen to present this as a conspiracy and disappearing of stations. Does this make him a liar? I am afraid so.</p>
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		<title>By: Defamatory? So sue me, Gavin. I triple dog dare you. &#124; CLIMATEGATE</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-1876</link>
		<dc:creator>Defamatory? So sue me, Gavin. I triple dog dare you. &#124; CLIMATEGATE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this month we brought you the story regarding the outrageous dropping of 806 ‘cold’ weather stations in one year. Now we bring you a follow up story that shows this controversy is not going to go [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this month we brought you the story regarding the outrageous dropping of 806 ‘cold’ weather stations in one year. Now we bring you a follow up story that shows this controversy is not going to go [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Ables</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Ables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:  what is it that you do elsewhere; that is, when not posting less than brilliant observations on climategate.com ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:  what is it that you do elsewhere; that is, when not posting less than brilliant observations on climategate.com ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mennie</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John O&#039;Sullivan

Seriously John..you have far too much time on your hands.</description>
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<p>Seriously John..you have far too much time on your hands.</p>
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		<title>By: John O'Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.climategate.com/climatologists-drop-806-cold-weather-stations-in-a-single-year/comment-page-2#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>John O'Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an update I&#039;ve just posted a query on chiefio&#039;s site so that we can more efficiently co-ordinate the efforts we are all making on climategate.com with the excellent work of E.M. Smith.
Here&#039;s a copy of my post:
Chiefio, I wanted to touch base with you to ensure that the work we do at climategate.com dovetails efficiently and productively into your highly important contribution so we can help get your message to the widest possible audience. I was pleased that my recent article, based on your fine analysis drew in new readership and questions have been raised as to how to mobilise enthusiastic readers keen to offer their services voluntarily. 

Our site is growing quickly and covers a broad spectrum from diehard climate followers to newbies looking for reliable climate info. We want to give both a ready primer to the issue as well as a regularly updated page for well-informed readers. In this regard I would be most grateful if you would, when not inundated, point me, a jobbing writer with far, far more legal than science expertise, in the right direction.

I’ve just posted a response on TWAWKI regarding those global dropped sites that aren’t included in Anthony Watt’s United States study and as you highlight, the issues are far graver globally where reliable info is scant. I’m hesitant to give further advice until I’ve discussed this with you. 

Therefore, I’d be most grateful if you could advise me where to focus my efforts so I can help support your work to the best of my ability. I’d also like to write further articles on our site as we follow your investigations. 

Many thanks and keep up the great work.
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an update I&#8217;ve just posted a query on chiefio&#8217;s site so that we can more efficiently co-ordinate the efforts we are all making on climategate.com with the excellent work of E.M. Smith.<br />
Here&#8217;s a copy of my post:<br />
Chiefio, I wanted to touch base with you to ensure that the work we do at climategate.com dovetails efficiently and productively into your highly important contribution so we can help get your message to the widest possible audience. I was pleased that my recent article, based on your fine analysis drew in new readership and questions have been raised as to how to mobilise enthusiastic readers keen to offer their services voluntarily. </p>
<p>Our site is growing quickly and covers a broad spectrum from diehard climate followers to newbies looking for reliable climate info. We want to give both a ready primer to the issue as well as a regularly updated page for well-informed readers. In this regard I would be most grateful if you would, when not inundated, point me, a jobbing writer with far, far more legal than science expertise, in the right direction.</p>
<p>I’ve just posted a response on TWAWKI regarding those global dropped sites that aren’t included in Anthony Watt’s United States study and as you highlight, the issues are far graver globally where reliable info is scant. I’m hesitant to give further advice until I’ve discussed this with you. </p>
<p>Therefore, I’d be most grateful if you could advise me where to focus my efforts so I can help support your work to the best of my ability. I’d also like to write further articles on our site as we follow your investigations. </p>
<p>Many thanks and keep up the great work.<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: WilliMc</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliMc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding global production of food in an increasingly cold environment is subject to, among other things, a general law in anthropology which asserted the further away from the equator the larger the animal. Grown horses transported from the Panhandle of Texas to the Billings, Montana, area gained about 200 pounds. My limited experience suggested the same rule held for grain production per acre. In the early 1970s irrigated wheat  near Del Rio, Texas, made about 18-20 bu./acre. In the panhandle it was around 40 bu./ac. At the same time in Idaho they were producing up to 80 bu./ac. I assumed it was increased sunlight which made the difference. However, today, technology will have increased the production by a factor of (guessing here) of three times those yields in the corn belt over the 1970s period. 

If the cold brings clouds, rain and snow it will mean less sun light, and more crop damage. Perhaps others will know more than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding global production of food in an increasingly cold environment is subject to, among other things, a general law in anthropology which asserted the further away from the equator the larger the animal. Grown horses transported from the Panhandle of Texas to the Billings, Montana, area gained about 200 pounds. My limited experience suggested the same rule held for grain production per acre. In the early 1970s irrigated wheat  near Del Rio, Texas, made about 18-20 bu./acre. In the panhandle it was around 40 bu./ac. At the same time in Idaho they were producing up to 80 bu./ac. I assumed it was increased sunlight which made the difference. However, today, technology will have increased the production by a factor of (guessing here) of three times those yields in the corn belt over the 1970s period. </p>
<p>If the cold brings clouds, rain and snow it will mean less sun light, and more crop damage. Perhaps others will know more than I.</p>
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