Comments on: “Hottest January ever” say climate experts, establishing a new comedy genre

By: Robert

Robert — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:21:15 +0000

When I was a fraud prosecutor, the cockles of my heart would tickle when a defense attorney argued to the jury that his client, who had been caught in a lie, had told the truth on every other occasion and that the lie was just an aberration, a mistake, not really that important, etc. My rebuttal: “Suppose, ladies and gentlemen, that you order beef stew in a restaurant famous for that dish and, after a bite or two, you chomp down on a piece of meat–AND IT’S RANCID! Are you going to eat the rest of that stew?!!?” Never failed to convict.

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By: Tom Roe

Tom Roe — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 04:21:24 +0000

Ian. If you haven’t yet go read the emails. They are online in various formats but worth the time. If you read them and decide they don’t show a long-running conspiracy between prominent members of the climate science community to subvert climate science itself then so be it. You’ll have done your homework and come to a different conclusion than most of us have. On this blog you will find the answer to your “are you a scientist question” in the post regarding the Institute of Physics submission. They are largely scientists and they are expressing their serious concerns about the integrity of the climate science supporting AGW. Our thoughts prayers go out to the people of Chile in their hour of need.

By: Tom Roe

Tom Roe — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:59:50 +0000

Ian,
I went to school in the Bay Area. San Francisco already has “houses that float” whole neighborhoods of them in fact. They are called houseboats and have been around for many decades. The logic behind your post is flawed i.e they are studying a solution so the problem must exist. If you have spent some time around academia and/or government you know that they will pay to study anything. Studying is another way of saying “we are spending money on favored people and ideas” Most of the so-called science in the massive IPCC reports is generated using this exact flawed formulation. They are saying to you that there is a huge amount of scientific work produced by an impressive number of scientists across many disciplines. How can you refuse to believe something this enormous? The size of the thing is being used to make you believe it’s real. In reality almost all of the science is conjectural. It is based on the second part of the scientific method “if x is true then what does it mean” Here lies the importance of the climategate emails showing that x was derived at dishonestly. The vast majority of the work that you are being shown is simply an exercise in “what if” The whole gigantic edifice falls apart if the answer to “what if” is “the underlying theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming is wrong” therefore “what if” is irrelevant. Most of us here have studied the evidence in favor of AGW and decided that it is not proven. Current observable climate change can be scientifically explained within the context of known natural variability. We have been succesful in debunking most of the major claims made by AGW proponents. The beast is slain. Those on the other side refuse to accept this and have gone to extraordinary lenghts to convince you otherwise. I ask you to keep an open mind on the topic and refuse to be bum rushed by cries of alarm. Imagine someone in Toronto claiming that you must organize against an imminent invasion from Costa Rica. You spoke up to ask a few questions and were shouted down as a denier. Would you keep asking the questions or accept the premise? We chose to keep asking and the answers are proving us right to do so.

By: Tel

Tel — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:08:07 +0000

The measurements of sea level in San Francisco show about 8 inches (0.2 m) of sea level rise over the past 100 years. There’s a graph here:

http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/images/sanfran26.jpg

People are predicting 5 feet of sea level rise by 2100 but then people will predict all sorts of things and obviously no one buying coastal land actually believes any of this (including Al Gore).

I predict that pink elephants will rise from the deep and kick us all in the shins and it will happen oh maybe 25 years time, maybe a bit longer. OK, some deniers might say it is unlikely by WHAT IF I’M RIGHT? Think of the the damage once those herds get loose. I demand billions of dollars research funding to study this problem BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!

By: Tel

Tel — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:52:49 +0000

Nova Scotia has regularly flooded at least as far back as people bothered to keep notes. More detail here:

http://www.ec.gc.ca/eau-water/default.asp?lang=En&n=4FCB81DD-1

Although snowmelt itself has not caused flooding events in Nova Scotia, it has been a contributing factor in 65 instances since the first flood recorded in 1759. Flooding conditions associated with snowmelt often occur during winter rainstorms in December, January and February. Spells of warm weather accompanied by rain are not uncommon in Nova Scotia during these months. In fact, such conditions led to all 48 flood events recorded in the province during these three months, 36 of which involved snowmelt. Prolonged warm spells during this period can be particularly disastrous. For instance, the flooding in the aftermath of what was known as the longest January thaw, from January 3 to 18, 1956, caused province-wide damage.

If you are going to use argument by authority, you really need to be a bit more specific about what qualifies an authority and why. On what basis is one scientist more real than another?

By: Graham

Graham — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:00:23 +0000

Ian – I’ve given you a link and I politely suggest you read it.

Not even the IPCC believe that sea levels are rising any more.

Clearly you disagree with the IPCC too.

By: John D. Nier

John D. Nier — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:57:35 +0000

Sorry Ian I don’ t get into circle jerk conversation with people like you anymore. Bye!

By: Ian Graham

Ian Graham — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:46:27 +0000

John, I’m glad you’re so confident. Are you a scientist or perhaps psychic for the future? What you’ve given me is all “climate gate” and quite honestly tells me nothing. And as for Al Gore… I’m not a supporter but do see many other REAL scientists sounding the alarms. Perhaps you could visit Nova Scotia and explain how some towns are now getting flooded? Or perhaps you should go visit your own backyard and see what scientists have been showing as sea level rise in San Francisco. It’s right there and if they’re wrong, you can explain to them why. They’re only scientist right? Again… if you’re wrong about climate change, then what?

By: John D. Nier

John D. Nier — Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:12:40 +0000

Ian it’s pure fantasy I can assure you. To even think about this is ridiculous. The sea is not rising, in fact it’s gone down, You need to quit believing every thing Al Gore and his buddies spout. Remember I live here, I’m not 2800 miles away, I see the SF Bay sometimes several times per day. It has not gone up, it will not go up. Even if it were to go up it would only be mere millimeters per year and wouldn’t even be noticable for several lifetimes or longer.

First Read This: http://www.climategate.com/sea-levels-proven-to-have-fallen-for-past-six-years

Then Read This:http://www.climategate.com/100-reasons-why-anthropogenic-global-warming-a-cult