If someone could harness your wind there would be no energy problems. But on the other hand you have so much hot air you could create global warming all by yourself. I just can’t fathom where retards like you come from. People like you (lemmings) are the reason the world is screwed up.

Where did all this wind antipathy come from?

I can only speak from where I live. At present, the US has 34,000 MW of wind installed, or the equivalent of 42 typical coal plants. Our far north states have quite a bit: Washington 1,850 MW; North Dakota 1,200 MW, Minnesota 1,810 MW. In fact, all but 14 of 50 states have wind capacity.

My home state, which has all of 1.8 million inhabitants with a land area of 121,000 square miles (546,000 sq km or 31.4 million hectares) has 560 MW of wind generation with more on the way. Nearby there are 2 solar thermal plants under construction that will produce 750 MW each on a 24/7 basis. The wind wholesale power costs 3 cents/kwh, and the solar will cost around 5 cents. This is unsubsidized power (no carbon offsets sold) that’s quite economic, going right into the grid.

Hardly garden toys, but then, this is not Britain.

“Clean coal” or CO2 sequestration as planned by my government is another matter. These projects are testament to the lobbying power of Big Coal (who are also behind all of the anti-EPA and much of the denier propaganda). I no more trust the “geologic” stability of CO2 storage as I would radiological storage. Can it be done? Sure, but at a ridiculous cost. And the whole notion presumes continuation of the archaic “build more central generation” electricity model. Take those costs and invest them in adding storage capacity to the grid, grid optimization and improving distributed generation technologies.

There- we’ve discovered an area of agreement!

Carbon sequestration – now there’s a novel unproven technology a lot of people are throwing your money away on. Some African countries have experience of that process under natural conditions
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/mhalb/nyos/nyos.htm
Th lawsuits would be phenomenal and pretty hard to blame on anything else if it went wrong, and I must remind you, this is all expermental thus far, which is strange because the UK is planning any new coal power plants to use carbon sequestration, with our own Bermuda Triangle in the North Sea.

Germany has a demonstration plant operating – one problem, it releases the captured carbon into the atmosphere – DOHHHHHH

http://www.globalwarmingisreal.com/blog/2009/07/17/schwarze-pumpe-part-2-ccs-carbon-captured-but-not-stored/

It seems that Germany is nervous about saving the planet by killing all biological life forms.

Are you suggesting that Carbon Trading is supposed to represent some form of population control ? I agree with you Ed that it is being used to manipulate some fundamental factors unrelated to climate, and I’m glad that you’re prepared to own up. However, the fundamental flow of cash is not even going to perform some ‘bonkers’ humanitarian purpose. This is a massive shift of money from the ordinary people in the West to the rich in the underdeveloped countries. You only have to see where these subsidies are going, and even Western companies will transfer to them to pick up the bucks, but don’t expect their motives to be altruistic. My favourite example is the bt Bringal episode. remarkably enough, something in which Terin had involvement. Maybe you’d enjoy eating vegetables with their own inbuilt genetic insecticide.

Is it bad for everyone if most of Russia and Canada benefits, but equatorial regions have big population displacements? Or do we just say good for Russia and Canada and bad for the equatorial people? Or do we say great for the US military as it is dispatched worldwide to assist destabilized countries? Keeps people busy and well trained! Funny you guys don’t present the military and security issues around this topic, by the way.

Don’t be disingenuous, Graham. You are the one plying propaganda.

It’s a major problem when you design a hypothesis that defies common sense that is plain to a squirrel. If the planet warms it must benefit barren cold tundra or if it’s cooling then the deserts must benefit. All this rain we’re promised must do domeone good, though we’e pomised droughts too and water shortage. I’ve never heard of a water shortage in a monsoon. Nature must be the eternal prankster if it has the cunning to apply its effects so selectively as to bring doom to everyone. Normally there are winners and losers, but this is more of a Biblical prophesy than a scientific one.

The commentator conscludes that any climate forecast that only signals doom for everyone, is not an impartial scientific enlightenment, but merely political propaganda.

Just a thought – it’s not even a Biblical prophesy as even with Noah’s Ark the fishes were happy, but not so with the newly named ‘weirdos’ of AGW.